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  • 1.  Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 11 days ago

    Domestic greywater recycling systems in households collect mildly contaminated greywater from showers and laundry machines and give it a treatment that allows for reusing it safely for nonpotable purposes.

    Water scarcity is currently an alarming issue in several areas of the world. Urban and suburban areas have an increasing demand for water as a consequence of population growth and industrial activity with climate change making the issue more serious . Moreover, freshwater consumption and its potabilization have a significant environmental impact . Minimizing the need for freshwater and the energy use associated with its production and consumption is fundamental for water security and environmental protection. Reusing water is a paradigm shift that could make it possible to supply water avoiding unnecessary transport to the location where it is needed. Solutions for a more efficient use of water have become increasingly important in recent years, water reuse for instance is one of the easiest solutions to implement .

    Decentralized water reuse systems are a promising approach for a more efficient use of water, these systems allow treating the used water where it is created, saving on costly transport, distribution, and associated losses. 

    How can decentralized greywater systems contribute to long-term water security in arid regions?

    Do you think greywater reuse can significantly reduce dependence on centralized water infrastructure, or will it remain a supplementary solution?

    What are the environmental trade-offs between greywater reuse systems and conventional wastewater treatment?



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    Osama Ali
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  • 2.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 10 days ago

    Three good questions at the end of your post, Osama. What do you think? Do you have any numbers?



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    Tom Smith
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  • 3.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 10 days ago

    Thank you for the feedback. greywater constitutes approximately 50–80% of household wastewater and can reduce potable water demand by 30–50% when reused for non potable applications such as toilet flushing and irrigation. In arid regions, this translates to savings of roughly 50–120 liters per person per day.

    I have worked on several greywater treatment (GWT) projects , all of which have delivered significant environmental benefits and substantial cost‑saving impacts.


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    Osama Ali
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  • 4.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 9 days ago
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    Thanks for your reply Osama. In ignorance of this field, I turned to ChatGPT to get some idea of the technology available for installation here in Australia, what it might cost, and what the payback period might be. Please find attached a dump of the information it generated. In short, it estimated the installation cost in a Sydney home  at between AUD 8,000 - 15,000+ (depending on a number of factors) and the payback period 30-80 years. As someone who clearly has experience in the field you may dispute these figures and be critical of the information presented for installation of a membrane bioreactor (MBR) technology system.

    It's a very interesting topic, and you might like to consider publishing an article on it as a blog.



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    Tom Smith
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  • 5.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 5 days ago

    I once visited an English colleague in Los Angeles.  He'd made an easy start on grey water usage, by simply taking their washing machine drain hose out of the drain to the sewer line, and letting it irrigate their garden.  That was 49 years ago !   A more comprehensive grey water usage system would presumably redirect water from bathtub, shower and sink drains.  It could cost a few $K to have my plumber do that.  Building a system to reuse the grey water for flushing toilets would involve a lot more expense, as you'd have to somehow pressurize the grey water or store it at height.  You'd presumably also not want to recycle drainwater from an in-sink kitchen garbage disposal.



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    eProf. Tony Addison
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  • 6.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 4 days ago

    Hi Anthony, during my searching for more information on the subject, I came across a company called Garden Master which appears to offer a MBR type greywater treatment system. You can find a link here. I provide the link for interest only. Here are a few things I found out.

    1. It's probably quite a bit cheaper to use recycled captured rainwater for such purposes as toilet flushing than installing a MBR system . The installation costs and very long payback periods appear to be disincentives to MBR in many cases..
      2. A MBR system has been likened to a miniature municipal water treatment plant. They require regular periodic maintenance by skilled service personnel. They're not set it and forget it. 
      3. Installation costs can vary considerably, according to the type of house construction. Modern houses built on concrete slabs can have high installation costs due to difficulty in making piping and electrical connections for pumps and switching. Installation costs for houses built with underfloor spaces are more suitable for retrofitting.

      It would appear that you can use untreated greywater on your gardens if:
      - it comes from showers, baths and hand basins (and laundry, if low sodium detergents are used)
      - you use a simple diversion device (no additional treatment
      - employ sub-surface irrigation (no spraying)
      - use it immediately (no storage in tanks)
      - you can't use it for vegetables or other food intended for human consumption
      - it can't be allowed to pool or runoff onto a neighbours property
      - isn't a permanent installation, just a temporary hose

      You would generally need council or regulatory approval if you installed a permanent system, including a MBR system.

      I would not consider using greywater for subsurface irrigation where we live. We have very heavy clay close to the surface and water runs away very slowly. 


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    Tom Smith
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  • 7.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 4 days ago
    Unfortunately, "PA does not differentiate between greywater and blackwater (toilet waste) for disposal; both are classified as sewage (25 Pa. Code § 73.11)", so Until there's motvation for the law to be changed, I can't do it where I live.  Interestingly, "Discharge from roof gutters, foundation drainage, floor drains not from sewage generating connections and surface runoff may not be discharged to a treatment tank; nor may the discharges be permitted to flow over an absorption area or spray fields", which makes it harder to figure out what you actually can do.  Nonetheless, my neighbours and I all run our French drain (rain)water out into the yard, as it's clearly illegal to run it into the sanitary sewer system.
    Tony A.





  • 8.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 4 days ago

    Australian Government National Water Commission commissioned Master Plumber and Mechanical Services Association of Australia to produce a publication entitled

    Requirements for installation of rainwater and greywater systems in Australia.

    Waterlines Report Series No 10, November 2008.

    Standards Australia committee WS-031 (now disbanded) was developing technical specifications for various grey water system components including heat recovery. 

    NSW Government produced (2006) a draft Guideline for Sewered Residential Premises (Single Households) Greywater Reuse. This might have been incorporated into the 2008 national document.

    I don't know how these documents align with present practices of equipment. 




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    Alan Whittle
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  • 9.  RE: Impact of Activating Grey Water Treatment System

    Posted 4 days ago

    I should have added there is a short reference to greywater in Section 7 of AS/NZS 3500-2, the Deemed-to-satisfy solution to Volume 3 of the National Construction Code. The code itself references 

    AS 1546 Part 42016On-site domestic wastewater treatment units -Domestic greywater treatment systems. I apologise if I am only providing information you already have. 



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    Alan Whittle
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